2009
07.09

Frame by frame in VLC

VLC just switched over to 1.0 with a great new feature. Frame by frame advance! Wow. For YEARS and years this has been the only reason why I still have quicktime installed on my machine. The ability to pause and then use the arrow keys on my keyboard to really look at how the animation is working frame by frame is invaluable. So! I install the new VLC and load up a movie and click the frame advance button in the advanced menu interface option and. . . soon realize that this is a one way trip. No backwards! Forwards but not backwards. . .

What. . . the. . .

I don’t understand how this is so hard. Like I said quicktime has done it for years. . . why can’t VLC? While I applaud any application moving in this direction, I wonder why they even bothered adding it in if it only works one way.

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  1. doesn’t matter, you can use Shift+Left/Right for very short jumps, easy enough.

  2. @woof, wrong, the short jumps are of the order of 3 seconds, certainly not fine enough for frame by frame.

    Thanks for the heads up Wegg, downloaded the new version and helped me get the frames I needed. Indeed it’s annoying that more players don’t have this. MPlayer supports it.

    Jack

  3. So the new version lets you move backwards frame by frame!?! I’ll have to check that out. . .

  4. The VideoLAN staff has released a statement declaring that they are philosophically opposed to stepping through videos frame-by-frame (something about how we should be moving away from frame-based formats to frameless data streams), so VLC will never have full support for it.

  5. How does an animator make a keyframe at a certain frame if there are no frames? Very very strange way of thinking.

  6. Not having full support for frame-by-frame is a blight on an otherwise great program. I need to get to a particular frame sometimes to grab a snapshot and grabbing 3 frames later or 4 frames before is no use to me. It might be against their philosophy but quite necessary sometimes.

  7. I’m using 1.0.5 and still can’t get frame-by-frame to work at all.

  8. Well I appreciate the notion of frameless data formats but the reality is that video will be produced on a frame-by-frame basis for years to come and there is good reason to want to step through it frame by frame when supported by the media format. For the VLC team to inject their own philosophy into this matter is ultimately to constrain their customers. All it makes me want to do is drop VLC and find a different player. It’s already a marginalized player for users that want these sort of advanced options in a lightweight package so ultimately this is pretty shortsighted.

    Basically, they’re being arrogant.

  9. Hey Guys its very easy with the version 1.0 or higher. Just press “E” while playing the video, it will pause and move a frame forward, keep pressing “E” until you reach the desired frame. as easy as ABC. Unfortunately there is no way to go a frame by frame backward. but you can use “Shift+Left Key” and move frame forward after that.

    Cheers.

  10. Zia, if you read the blog post you will note that going forwards AND backwards was what the complaint was about. Not just forwards.

  11. Hi, I turned on the option of Frame by frame playback. But how is it turned off i.e. how to restore normal playback.

  12. i got this version there is no such problems found in this version of vlc yet.
    try this to fix here cause it’s the special edition of vlc.

  13. “The VideoLAN staff has released a statement declaring that they are philosophically opposed to stepping through videos frame-by-frame (something about how we should be moving away from frame-based formats to frameless data streams), so VLC will never have full support for it.”

    What… the… F…?!
    That’s insane. So insane it can’t be the true reason.

    Here’s what I mean-

    It doesn’t make any difference whether the underlying encoding scheme is frame based or ‘frameless streams’. People will always have many valid needs to be able to step through the minimum unit changes in the image, together with precise timing of where they are in the video. This is _essential_ for very many uses of video. It also happens to be very useful forensic technique for examining videos of important events, in which critical things happen very fast, in single frames, or otherwise near the limits of the video recording technology. And for this to be useful, one must be able to repeatedly step back and forwards over the portion of interest.

    VideoLan presenting such a bogus justification for omitting a critical feature in VLC, tells me their real reason is one they don’t want to mention. Could it be to prevent VLC player being usable for forensic examination of video? Or maybe someone selling a high price video player that does have ‘minimum step’ forwards and backwards, has ‘convinced’ VideoLan to leave out that feature?

    I always wondered why such an obvious, essential feature was missing from VLC. Thought I must be somehow missing it. ‘One more google’ and here this is – mention of VideoLan and their lunatic (unbelievable) defense of the indefensible.
    Terrific.
    Now, the search for a video player that _does_ have it.

    Or do _all_ the freeware video players have the same freakish frame-by-frame feature avoidance?

  14. Are you *joking* about that philosophical statement? I hope you are. If they seriously say that.. ASININE.

  15. I may have spoken too soon. From the following thread it seems there is a real technical limitation behind this lack of feature. Baffled, but.. ok, whatever.

    http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11087

    Tatterdemalian: will you post a link citing that?

  16. Read through that thread at videolan.org Goes from 2005 to 2009 and now locked. Summary: They won’t do it because it doesn’t suit the ’stream/packet’ orientation of VLC.

    You know what? I think they are full of shit and are flat-out lying. Here’s why.
    Regardless of how VLC may handle it’s buffering, it still has to present video to the screen at a ‘correct rate’. It can’t speed up or slow down the video depending on the rate data streams over whatever interface it’s arriving via.
    There’s only ONE way to get the update rate to the screen right. That’s to have a clear idea of the intrinsic amount of time represented by each unit of video. The video HAS to either have actual timestamps embedded in it, OR be composed of discrete units of uniform time duration – frames in other words.

    Since VLC *does* get the screen timing right in play mode, it HAS TO understand about frames. Therefore to STOP updating the screen after a new unit of time advance is displayed, *must* be possible. To refuse to implement single frame advance HAS to be deliberate, bloody-minded obstructionism, or the result of being paid to not do it.

    And the same for single frame reverse. Even if to do so means backing up several frames to a reference frame and calculating forward through difference frames to get to the desired n-1 frame position. The fact that VLC can be wound back using the slider bar (but horribly randomly) proves that they could do this (single frame back) IF THEY DIDN’T HAVE THIS STUPID PHILOSOPHICAL RESISTANCE to the concept.

  17. To those trying to pick specific frames from a video, give Avidemux a try. It’s more a video editor then a video player, but it gives you properly working frame by frame advance in both direction, lets you jump to specefic frame number, allows you to jump to the next black frame and plenty of other really useful features for dissection a video.

    It takes a while longer to load the video, as it might need to generate some extra data to make the whole frame-by-frame jumping work for some video formats, but its a lot more comfortable then VLC for those uses.

  18. It is often noted about these multimedia interface Free VLC Player Download usually is those it’s always quick.

  19. Very interesting I must say! I did not think about the subject that way.

  20. Avidemux works for mkv frame by frame, tnx for that! There are some scrubbing errors and audio lab but it’s the best thing I’ve found so far for mkv frame by frame. I recommend to give it a try, especially when you are animator :)

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  29. While TerraHertz delivered an interesting note about how to conceptualize frames, this damn feature has existed for a long time.

    1. Choose View
    2. Select Advanced Controls
    3. Frame by Frame is the last button of the Four Advanced Control buttons
    4. This is all a normal non-editing person needs: To seek to a frame of their choosing
    5. Yes start in an n-1 frame position and seek forward. Currently no backward support.

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